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	<title>Comments on: Flickr as an Interior Decorating Tool</title>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsnotes.org/archives/2009/06/29/flickr-as-an-interior-decorating-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-180815</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason: He he... My wife isn&#039;t sure either. She thinks I should take the billboard off the house!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason: He he&#8230; My wife isn&#8217;t sure either. She thinks I should take the billboard off the house!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Webber</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsnotes.org/archives/2009/06/29/flickr-as-an-interior-decorating-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-180812</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Webber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahhh, i don&#039;t know whether your good or evil now?? it&#039;s probably best not to judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahhh, i don&#8217;t know whether your good or evil now?? it&#8217;s probably best not to judge.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsnotes.org/archives/2009/06/29/flickr-as-an-interior-decorating-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-180792</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason: Absolutely, I&#039;m always flattered to hear my images are being used. Mad as hell to find someone else selling them or making money from them.

However, that&#039;s a gray area because you may allow me to blog your image to this site but how do you feel about the fact that I get a small amount of adsense money from google and a small amount of affiliate money from B&amp;H? If your image gets a lot of eyeballs here no doubt some of those folks are clicking on my adsense links. So, you&#039;re indirectly making me money.

In my case it&#039;s probably a non issue but there are some people aggregating flickr images with open EXIF to use in lens comparisons and they too have adsense running on their sites. I&#039;ve generally allowed this kind of use but I do think it runs into the gray area that Chris is talking about: my images are making other people money and without them, they&#039;d have no web site, no money. They&#039;re not selling my images or claiming them as their own, but they&#039;re still making money from my content.

To a lesser extent, I&#039;m making money from other people&#039;s content when and if I blog someone else&#039;s image here.

Man, makes my head hurt to think about it too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason: Absolutely, I&#8217;m always flattered to hear my images are being used. Mad as hell to find someone else selling them or making money from them.</p>
<p>However, that&#8217;s a gray area because you may allow me to blog your image to this site but how do you feel about the fact that I get a small amount of adsense money from google and a small amount of affiliate money from B&#038;H? If your image gets a lot of eyeballs here no doubt some of those folks are clicking on my adsense links. So, you&#8217;re indirectly making me money.</p>
<p>In my case it&#8217;s probably a non issue but there are some people aggregating flickr images with open EXIF to use in lens comparisons and they too have adsense running on their sites. I&#8217;ve generally allowed this kind of use but I do think it runs into the gray area that Chris is talking about: my images are making other people money and without them, they&#8217;d have no web site, no money. They&#8217;re not selling my images or claiming them as their own, but they&#8217;re still making money from my content.</p>
<p>To a lesser extent, I&#8217;m making money from other people&#8217;s content when and if I blog someone else&#8217;s image here.</p>
<p>Man, makes my head hurt to think about it too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Webber</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsnotes.org/archives/2009/06/29/flickr-as-an-interior-decorating-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-180790</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Webber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard

I have to agree with your thoughts and use of flickr. I&#039;m flattered and interested when any of my photos are used on blogs or websites, especially as this, as you say, is free advertising.

I think Chris makes an interesting point though and for myself i&#039;d have no problem someone using a picture of mine at home or at their cubicle at work. I only get funny about it when people want to use my pictures commercially but don&#039;t feel they have to pay for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard</p>
<p>I have to agree with your thoughts and use of flickr. I&#8217;m flattered and interested when any of my photos are used on blogs or websites, especially as this, as you say, is free advertising.</p>
<p>I think Chris makes an interesting point though and for myself i&#8217;d have no problem someone using a picture of mine at home or at their cubicle at work. I only get funny about it when people want to use my pictures commercially but don&#8217;t feel they have to pay for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsnotes.org/archives/2009/06/29/flickr-as-an-interior-decorating-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-180752</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris: Right, I can&#039;t say the entire Times scenario is perfect but they didn&#039;t jump in an retract what Sonia posted which I think was the right thing to do. Best to step back and think it through.

As you may know from this blog, I routinely blog people&#039;s photographs from flickr. I don&#039;t ask, I just do it. I do it in a way that will give them the right kind of exposure: the image is always a link back to original and I cite their flickr screen name with a link back to their account.

Many on flickr would say that what I do is as bad as some of the things you list above and to them I say, you need to learn how flickr works and turn off those features if you don&#039;t want me blogging your work. Or, don&#039;t use flickr.

What I object to is people assuming that flickr is by default a personal photoblog for each registered user. It wasn&#039;t built that way and the terms of service do not support that assumption. Flickr is about sharing and sharing includes blogging images off of flickr. I realize that some people download images and repost them with no links and no citations but I don&#039;t do that. Yet, many on flickr and in the comment threads for Sonia&#039;s two posts would say I&#039;m being a jerk.

What they don&#039;t realize is that my links to them are bringing people to their photostreams who would never have found them otherwise, they&#039;re essentially getting free advertising.

I&#039;ve had huge arguments on flickr with folks who say I should have to write them and ask permission, etc. but they refuse to change their profiles so that blogging or all sizes are disabled for others.

So, there&#039;s a middle ground of oddness at flickr and elsewhere and while I don&#039;t fall into Sonia&#039;s camp I do understand where she&#039;s coming from.

If flickr users don&#039;t want their images used then they need to tighten down access to them or consider getting off flickr entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris: Right, I can&#8217;t say the entire Times scenario is perfect but they didn&#8217;t jump in an retract what Sonia posted which I think was the right thing to do. Best to step back and think it through.</p>
<p>As you may know from this blog, I routinely blog people&#8217;s photographs from flickr. I don&#8217;t ask, I just do it. I do it in a way that will give them the right kind of exposure: the image is always a link back to original and I cite their flickr screen name with a link back to their account.</p>
<p>Many on flickr would say that what I do is as bad as some of the things you list above and to them I say, you need to learn how flickr works and turn off those features if you don&#8217;t want me blogging your work. Or, don&#8217;t use flickr.</p>
<p>What I object to is people assuming that flickr is by default a personal photoblog for each registered user. It wasn&#8217;t built that way and the terms of service do not support that assumption. Flickr is about sharing and sharing includes blogging images off of flickr. I realize that some people download images and repost them with no links and no citations but I don&#8217;t do that. Yet, many on flickr and in the comment threads for Sonia&#8217;s two posts would say I&#8217;m being a jerk.</p>
<p>What they don&#8217;t realize is that my links to them are bringing people to their photostreams who would never have found them otherwise, they&#8217;re essentially getting free advertising.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had huge arguments on flickr with folks who say I should have to write them and ask permission, etc. but they refuse to change their profiles so that blogging or all sizes are disabled for others.</p>
<p>So, there&#8217;s a middle ground of oddness at flickr and elsewhere and while I don&#8217;t fall into Sonia&#8217;s camp I do understand where she&#8217;s coming from.</p>
<p>If flickr users don&#8217;t want their images used then they need to tighten down access to them or consider getting off flickr entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Casciano</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsnotes.org/archives/2009/06/29/flickr-as-an-interior-decorating-tool/comment-page-1/#comment-180749</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Casciano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I&#039;m not sure the Times &quot;handled this perfectly&quot; as you stated I do think this is just one big grey area and there probably was no good way to handle it but as a feature on the CC or Commons projects as a way to decorate rather then &#039;flickr&#039;. But ultimately I think anyone posting complains should consider the following scenarios and think about which ones they think are legit and which ones they think are copyright theft:

- printing an ARR image at a lab and framing it for home display
- printing the same ARR image on 8x10 plain paper and tacking it on a cubicle wall at work
- saving the image to a memory card then loading it onto a digital frame hanging in a home
- pointing a wifi capable digital frame at an rss feed with the ARR image
- setting the screensaver on a 30&quot; computer display to an rss feed with the ARR image

On the one hand these are all methods of decorating with said images, but I wonder how many people jumping on the Times writer would have more of a problem with some of these usages then others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I&#8217;m not sure the Times &#8220;handled this perfectly&#8221; as you stated I do think this is just one big grey area and there probably was no good way to handle it but as a feature on the CC or Commons projects as a way to decorate rather then &#8216;flickr&#8217;. But ultimately I think anyone posting complains should consider the following scenarios and think about which ones they think are legit and which ones they think are copyright theft:</p>
<p>- printing an ARR image at a lab and framing it for home display<br />
- printing the same ARR image on 8&#215;10 plain paper and tacking it on a cubicle wall at work<br />
- saving the image to a memory card then loading it onto a digital frame hanging in a home<br />
- pointing a wifi capable digital frame at an rss feed with the ARR image<br />
- setting the screensaver on a 30&#8243; computer display to an rss feed with the ARR image</p>
<p>On the one hand these are all methods of decorating with said images, but I wonder how many people jumping on the Times writer would have more of a problem with some of these usages then others.</p>
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