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		<title>Comment on Flickr update by Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsnotes.org/archives/2013/05/20/flickr-update/comment-page-1/#comment-209239</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard, I&#039;m a pro user too. But now the pro account eikl cost a lot more...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I&#8217;m a pro user too. But now the pro account eikl cost a lot more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flickr update by Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsnotes.org/archives/2013/05/20/flickr-update/comment-page-1/#comment-209233</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary: For us long time users changes like this are tough and flickr really blew it not taking into account that a high percentage of its users are long time users who are comfortable with the old site.

I agree, very much like Netflix and you know how that turned out with Reed Hastings apologizing and reverting back. Maybe Mayer will get a clue. I&#039;m kind of doubting it.

Daniel: I&#039;ve been a pro user for so long I&#039;ve never seen ads. I went pro before Yahoo bought flickr so I&#039;ve never had ads on flickr. You might try the Adblock plugin which should take care of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary: For us long time users changes like this are tough and flickr really blew it not taking into account that a high percentage of its users are long time users who are comfortable with the old site.</p>
<p>I agree, very much like Netflix and you know how that turned out with Reed Hastings apologizing and reverting back. Maybe Mayer will get a clue. I&#8217;m kind of doubting it.</p>
<p>Daniel: I&#8217;ve been a pro user for so long I&#8217;ve never seen ads. I went pro before Yahoo bought flickr so I&#8217;ve never had ads on flickr. You might try the Adblock plugin which should take care of them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flickr update by Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 19:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What bugs me the most in flickr&#039;s new design is the ads.
I&#039;ll keep using the iphone app, even though the screen is so small.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bugs me the most in flickr&#8217;s new design is the ads.<br />
I&#8217;ll keep using the iphone app, even though the screen is so small.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flickr update by Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 19:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard:  I&#039;m sure displeased with much of the flickr resdesign and especially it&#039;s very unexpected, abrupt, rollout, and changing of the pro vs. the free accounts.  The uproar reminds of Netflix&#039;s poorly handled rollout of its new pricing scheme.  Too bad these CEO&#039;s don&#039;t involve their most important asset, their customers, before making radical changes to their company&#039;s services.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard:  I&#8217;m sure displeased with much of the flickr resdesign and especially it&#8217;s very unexpected, abrupt, rollout, and changing of the pro vs. the free accounts.  The uproar reminds of Netflix&#8217;s poorly handled rollout of its new pricing scheme.  Too bad these CEO&#8217;s don&#8217;t involve their most important asset, their customers, before making radical changes to their company&#8217;s services.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flickr update by Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.richardsnotes.org/archives/2013/05/20/flickr-update/comment-page-1/#comment-209229</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 19:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonne: I&#039;m not happy about it at all but both you and I have enough images up there and we&#039;ve got them embedded elsewhere so it&#039;s not like we can easily up and move.

I suggest we let things settle out for a while and see what happens. I&#039;ve been commenting in the help forums and in Marrisa Mayer&#039;s personal flickr account as much as I can. Trying to keep calm and give useable feedback.

But, the bottom line is that for long time users like us, the new site will take  a lot of getting used to. What a shame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonne: I&#8217;m not happy about it at all but both you and I have enough images up there and we&#8217;ve got them embedded elsewhere so it&#8217;s not like we can easily up and move.</p>
<p>I suggest we let things settle out for a while and see what happens. I&#8217;ve been commenting in the help forums and in Marrisa Mayer&#8217;s personal flickr account as much as I can. Trying to keep calm and give useable feedback.</p>
<p>But, the bottom line is that for long time users like us, the new site will take  a lot of getting used to. What a shame.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flickr update by Jonne Naarala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonne Naarala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 18:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am having same feelings as you, Richard. Not good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am having same feelings as you, Richard. Not good.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flickr update by Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 10:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s about money as much as capturing a demographic Yahoo thinks the&#039;ve lost to Facebook and Instagram.

Are you sure that you turning off ads on your account turned them off for non-pro users viewing your account? I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the way it worked. When you bought a pro account you saw no ads anywhere on flickr (like I have now) no matter who&#039;s account you were viewing. Others with no pro accounts saw ads everywhere, including on your account.

I don&#039;t think that will change now, a pro account turns off ads. But, the fact that everyone is given the same amount of space and the same service except for the ads is a slap in the face to those of us who are using flickr more seriously. And, charging $500 for their high end accounts, they have to be crazy.

The entire thing is so poorly rolled out it staggers the imagination. Had they done it incrementally and gotten feedback all along the way they would not have made so many users unhappy, even if they ended up with about what they have now. This is a failure of leadership and I hold Marissa Mayer personally responsible for this. Seriously, the process is the product and in this case, the process sucks and makes the product, which also sucks suck harder.

It will be interesting to see how Yahoo spins this over time, no doubt the press is picking all of this up and will make great hay with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s about money as much as capturing a demographic Yahoo thinks the&#8217;ve lost to Facebook and Instagram.</p>
<p>Are you sure that you turning off ads on your account turned them off for non-pro users viewing your account? I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the way it worked. When you bought a pro account you saw no ads anywhere on flickr (like I have now) no matter who&#8217;s account you were viewing. Others with no pro accounts saw ads everywhere, including on your account.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that will change now, a pro account turns off ads. But, the fact that everyone is given the same amount of space and the same service except for the ads is a slap in the face to those of us who are using flickr more seriously. And, charging $500 for their high end accounts, they have to be crazy.</p>
<p>The entire thing is so poorly rolled out it staggers the imagination. Had they done it incrementally and gotten feedback all along the way they would not have made so many users unhappy, even if they ended up with about what they have now. This is a failure of leadership and I hold Marissa Mayer personally responsible for this. Seriously, the process is the product and in this case, the process sucks and makes the product, which also sucks suck harder.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how Yahoo spins this over time, no doubt the press is picking all of this up and will make great hay with it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flickr update by Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 08:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Yahoo are doing is trying to make money. Although a substantial number of people are angry now (myself included, as a seven year veteran), the changes are obviously designed for people that upload without captions, descriptions or any real concern as to how the pictures are presented. I suspect that these people are probably the majority.

Two things really annoy me. Firstly, I carefully curate the home page, using it much like a blog. All the meta-information around the photographs is now hidden, so it is just a stream of &#039;pretty pictures&#039; rather than a narrative. All that effort is now wasted.

Secondly, I pay for a &#039;pro&#039; account with Flickr precisely because I do not want adverts associated with my images. Now I understand that my payment is just going to be for me not to see adverts - not for other people that see the stream.

Quite depressing, and unless Yahoo responds sensibly we will probably take down our images and close the account.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Yahoo are doing is trying to make money. Although a substantial number of people are angry now (myself included, as a seven year veteran), the changes are obviously designed for people that upload without captions, descriptions or any real concern as to how the pictures are presented. I suspect that these people are probably the majority.</p>
<p>Two things really annoy me. Firstly, I carefully curate the home page, using it much like a blog. All the meta-information around the photographs is now hidden, so it is just a stream of &#8216;pretty pictures&#8217; rather than a narrative. All that effort is now wasted.</p>
<p>Secondly, I pay for a &#8216;pro&#8217; account with Flickr precisely because I do not want adverts associated with my images. Now I understand that my payment is just going to be for me not to see adverts &#8211; not for other people that see the stream.</p>
<p>Quite depressing, and unless Yahoo responds sensibly we will probably take down our images and close the account.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flickr update by Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 04:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said Andrew. 

Amazing, Marissa Mayer said today that she promised not to screw up tumbler but I guess she didn&#039;t say as much about flickr.

What bothers me as much as the bad design and poor terms for long term loyal users who stuck with flickr over many years is the way they did this: they did it overnight without so much as a notice. Nothing. One day it has one look and functionality, the next day a different look and different functionality.

This is not good management. It&#039;s led to a huge backlash online:

http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157633547442506/page56/

My comment is on page 55. Fucking 55 pages of almost 100% negative, hateful comments.

The more I think about this the more depressed I get. Do you know how many images from flickr I have embedded in this and other sites? A shitload.

They&#039;ve really blown it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Andrew. </p>
<p>Amazing, Marissa Mayer said today that she promised not to screw up tumbler but I guess she didn&#8217;t say as much about flickr.</p>
<p>What bothers me as much as the bad design and poor terms for long term loyal users who stuck with flickr over many years is the way they did this: they did it overnight without so much as a notice. Nothing. One day it has one look and functionality, the next day a different look and different functionality.</p>
<p>This is not good management. It&#8217;s led to a huge backlash online:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157633547442506/page56/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157633547442506/page56/</a></p>
<p>My comment is on page 55. Fucking 55 pages of almost 100% negative, hateful comments.</p>
<p>The more I think about this the more depressed I get. Do you know how many images from flickr I have embedded in this and other sites? A shitload.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve really blown it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flickr update by Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 03:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Richard, Let&#039;s face it - Flickr is no longer for photographers and artists. I don&#039;t really know what they want to be, but it&#039;s changed too much for me. The problem is that there is nowhere else to go. They helped to build a community that then they left behind, and maybe we&#039;re all stuck in the eddy current having a hard time getting out. 

I don&#039;t like many aspects of the new design. It feels obviously incomplete and buggy, two things that I as an application designer abhor. It does not have to be finished, but make it look purposeful and by all means make it stable and don&#039;t let obvious bugs go out the door. 

Yahoo is amlost trying too hard now - change for change sake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard, Let&#8217;s face it &#8211; Flickr is no longer for photographers and artists. I don&#8217;t really know what they want to be, but it&#8217;s changed too much for me. The problem is that there is nowhere else to go. They helped to build a community that then they left behind, and maybe we&#8217;re all stuck in the eddy current having a hard time getting out. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like many aspects of the new design. It feels obviously incomplete and buggy, two things that I as an application designer abhor. It does not have to be finished, but make it look purposeful and by all means make it stable and don&#8217;t let obvious bugs go out the door. </p>
<p>Yahoo is amlost trying too hard now &#8211; change for change sake.</p>
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